EMS Debate Microtech LT-8, vs Haltech E6K/E6X

[Anarx]

ok guys lets bring out the main contenders to the standalone feild..

In the Blue Corner is the Microtech LT8

In the Red Corner is the Haltech E6K

In the Green Corner is the Haltech E6X


now as far as the interface goes i Love the Haltech E6X. it also has a number of features that turn me on, like the Wideband controler built in.. but i have heard some negitive things so please express your feelings on it..

the Microtech, i have had a intimate experience with *thanks to easy P* i love the wiring that they have for it. its nice and easy to connect.. but the Interface on the software is piss poor.. all they did was take the hand controller and digitize it.. you can not save or load maps, having to input them all by hand.. some of the tuning stuff is a bit off.. and very few inputs and outputs *i think 1 or 2 outputs and 1 input* so you are extremely limited by what you can run/do and have to get rather creative /w the wiring if you want to do more then one *like run a idle up for the ac AND power steering (its not that hard but i still would like more inputs outputs)*

and the E6K is old reliable.. a fair number of inputs and outputs, easy to work with and tune...old dos interface, and a few features put the E6X in a higher spot in my mind... but definatly well proven and well supported..

and for the rest *wolf, motech in this case* i dont know jack about them.. besides that motech is way way expensive..

and for the Megasquirt considering how uncharted it is and how much crap feels like *Jimmy Rigging* i dont know if i would want to go with it *case in point theres a shoot off that has ignition support and wideband support but it just seems to be to iffy on reliability not to mention maps and support*


Have at it guys[/b]

[dave]

the microtech is super-easy to tune. you just gotta get used to the way they want you to tune it.
do the rpm offset, then do the load. piece of cake

haltechs are just about as easy to tune, but take longer to do so.
with those you gotta go through every rpm and load point.

the microtech is more or less a detuned motec from what i've heard, but its downfall is the built in map sensor and recycling the stock iat sensor. who cares about the coolant sensor--they're accurate enough. so we've got a very high quality unit with NO options... it's set up for whatever car you buy it for and that's that... 3-bar map upgrade is a couple hundred bucks, pretty much NO features...
so by the time you get it the way you want it, it costs quite a bit more than the haltech.

i'm leaving the e6x out for now--it's an e6k with a fucked up reluctor curcuit and windows software that doesn't work. i've done 3 of them and i wouldn't touch it again with a 10 foot pole. but hypathetically, it's no different than the k, except they got rid of a few wires in the harness.

the k has all sorts of outputs... not just outputs, but programmable outputs--you can tell them to do pretty much anything you can imagine. run sequential turbos, 3 or 4 rotor, e-fans, anti-lag, etc etc etc... use any map sensor you want, just punch it in on the setup menu. take it off, put it on a honda, a chevy, whatever...2 minutes to load a new setup.

operationally, the microtech has a few advantages.
1) sequential injection.
BIG BIG BIG deal if you don't like the fuel pressure drop when 1600's come online.
--haltechs are batch fired in staging mode. i got rid of that pressure drop by giving each fuel rail its own pump and regulator.

2)throttle pump.
microtech allows you a LOT more options, including timing advance. very cool!
haltech only gives you amount and sustain.

that's all i can think of off the top of my head.

[dave]

and the x does NOT have a wideband controller built in!

[easy p-cheesy]

I'm still not over the microtech ordeal...

But when I think about it, there are only a few things I don't like about it.
1) Worst software ever. It's simple, but awkward to use and lacking in features. Can't download maps because they wanted to make $150 off of a laptop connection package...

2) Lack of inputs/outputs

3) other stuff

[Jims5543]

Why doesnt anyone ever look at the Wolf 3D??

[ReZ]

I am getting a WOLF3D V4+ for the trirotor.

[dave]

i'd like to try one...just haven't used it yet.

easy--the software and tuning isn't bad- i swear. you just gotta get used to it.

[ReZ]

Then we gonna hook the 914 up with megasquirt!!!

[dave]

i'd rather use a carburetor than a megasquirt.

[easy p-cheesy]

ieasy--the software and tuning isn't bad- i swear. you just gotta get used to it.

yeah, I know. It's just kind of hard to want to get used to it after looking at the other brand's software.

[dave]

if i ever come out with an ems, i'll have ir switch between microtech, haltech, and pfc style.

i think those are the 3 easiest and "best" (according to me anyway) ways to do it.

[KaosMan]

The E6X is a piece of junk. Not only does it have the over-sensitive reluctor, but the Windows software is also very very bad. For starters you've got the little stuff...can't switch between F & C (Celsius only) and the window system is akward. More importantly, there are options for the X that can only be switched on or off with the DOS software.

My feelings are the same as Dave, I wouldn't touch the thing with a 10-foot pole. This is why I spent $1K on a *used* brand-new E6K on eBay for my FD.

[dave]

what makes the x worse is some features you can't access in dos, some you can't access in windows...so you need BOTH to get it going.

fucking crap!

[YellowT2]

What about the E11? Does it have the same software problems as the E6X?

[ReZ]

No. The E11 was released when the K was released. They just update the E11.

[puntorotary]

Anyone got any info on the LT12, im in the middle of deciding which to get.
An LT8,or LT12. Has the 12 got better options than the LT8? And if so what are they?

[LexZen]

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